Talk:Zenon Zogratis

Magic Attribute
I wanted to bring this matter up to be absolutely certain: How do we know that Zenon's devils magic attribute is specifically Spacial Magic? I've read the chapters and it makes no mention whatsoever which attribute his devil has. Also, while I'm aware this is speculation and it's not officially stated, when Zenon accesses 100% of his devils power, it takes on a skeleton/bone theme hinting that his devils magic attribute is Bone Magic. To be clear, I'm saying we need to examine the manga and anime more thoroughly, and that we do not have enough information to say which of Zenon's magic (his Bone Magic and his Spatial Magic) is the result of his devils power. Unless someone has a definitive answer and reference, I think we should hold off on classifying which of his magic is artificial. Zachary1969 (talk) 20:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

In chapter 260, he opened a portal that transported him to the Black Bulls and back to the Spade Kingdom, then canceled out the Spatial Magic that Finral used, which can only be done by someone who uses Spatial Magic. And in chapter 264, Nacht confirmed that his artificial magic attribute was Spatial Magic since their natural magic attributes was introduced second instead of first for some reason. And Dante already confirmed that his natural magic is Body Magic and Vanica's natural magic is Blood Magic.

All the Dark Triad takes different forms related to their own magic attributes instead of being just purely related to their Devil since their own natural magic attribute was boosted due to their devil power. Vanica for instances looks almost as if it resembles more her own Blood Magic. Dante can be a unique case since his natural magic is Body Magic.DevilSlayer123 (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Well if it is mentioned and confirmed by Nacht in Chapter 264 that Zenon's artificial magic is Spatial Magic, shouldn't there be a reference so there's no confusion? I also checked Chapter 264 and Nacht specifically says, "Dante has Gravity and Body Magic. Vanica has Curse-Warding and Blood Magic. The one with Spatial and Bone Magic is Zenon." While we already know the magic attributes of Dante and Vanica, Nacht doesn't mention specifically which magic attribute belongs to which Dark Triad member and their devil. He doesn't specifically say whether Zenon's natural/innate magic is his Bone Magic or Spatial Magic, so that doesn't exactly confirm which magic is his devils.

Also, while I'm aware that most of the devils magic attribute is introduced second, that doesn't mean we should apply it to all members of the Dark Triad. And not all their devils magic attributes were introduced second when they made their debut. Going by that logic, that means during Dante's fight against the Black Bulls, Lucifero's magic would be Body Magic and Dante's innate magic would be Gravity Magic, which is incorrect since Dante mostly uses Lucifero's Gravity Magic because he dislikes using his Body Magic. Also, when the Dark Triad takes on different forms, while drawing on their devil power, their forms do not seem to hint at which magic attribute its associated with. When Dante draws on Lucifero's power, most of his body is covered in black, we do not know if that is associated with his Body Magic or Lucifero's Gravity Magic.

As for Vanica, how do we know her form resembles her blood magic? When she draws on 100%, her whole body is covered in black, with her chest and thighs covered in a lighter shade of black. Her horns become completely black, two additional smaller pointed horns appear on her forehead, her eye-patch is covered in black, blood is flowing in the same shape of her right eye in the same spot, her nails become longer and significantly sharper, the part of her leg under her thigh is donned with a black boot, her waist is covered in a short dress, she grows fangs, a black crown sits on the top of her head and she grows a pair of black wings. Last I checked, blood was more of a dark red color, and since her form hasn't been colored or animated in the anime, how do we know it's associated with her Blood Magic?

Also, according to Nacht, the Qliphoth Devils are the highest-ranking devils in the Underworld. The only other devil we know that uses spatial magic (or time magic since it's not specified during his debut in chapter 286) is Lucifugus, but we know Zenon doesn't have a contract with him since Lucifugus' appearance and Zenon's devil appearance look completely different.

What I'm saying is that at the moment, there are too many inconsistencies and the evidence is vague. So we should wait until it is officially confirmed which is Zenon's innate magic and which is his devils. Zachary1969 (talk) 00:28, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I think that you're overthinking this.

Wouldn't it be even more inconsistent for his siblings to all have magic related to the body, but Zenon doesn't? Beside, it wouldn't be odd if he's covered in a bone armor if its his natural magic attribute since it grants him greater defense.

It was meantioned that in the 276th chapter it was mentioned that using the devil's powers, he can use an absolute space. Even the portals that he opens looks demonic than others. And the devil appeared behind him after using Spatial Magic for the first time.

It's even more inconsistent if Dante's and Vanica's whose natural magic was intorudced second, but if Zenon's natural magic was spatial magic, then wouldn't it be introduced second too, and Bone Magic first instead of it was the devil's magic? DevilSlayer123 (talk) 00:55, 22 March 2021 (UTC)