User talk:Dragonus Nesha

Heaven Shadow Second Sight
What's wrong? The technique name is 千里眼. 千 means thousands. 里 means li or miles. 眼 means eyes. This is a well known Chinese god. Why did you undo my input, without giving any explanation?--GTA6v1 (talk) 05:25, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Arc Names
Hi there, I'm new to the wiki, but I was just wondering if you'd be down to make some adjustments to Arc names. I've noticed some are just unnamed, and I think it would be better to give them more distinguishable names. I also thought that maybe it could be cool to separate the pre-timeskip and post-timeskip stuff into seperate Sagas. Since they each focus on a different main antagonist, or central idea.

Hope this message finds you well.

Nacht91 (talk) 11:15, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Immense Magic Power of Vanica
It says it can hurt the Salamander fire spirit, but they didn't meet, so would the Undine water spirit be in place? Nesharg (talk) 18:18, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Devil image
Hi, why did you cancel my modifications on the images of the devils ? I find that the image of Liebe is not current and representative of his appearance and the devils of Natch do not have the same image, Gimodelo is not in the same shape as the other 3 devils, I think it would be wise to change these photos.

Images and/or Image Policy
Hi, I'm curious as to why my images were canceled and deleted. I thought that I was following the Image Policy and I qlso thought it would help to add images from the anime that were missing or update the old images from the manga with more vivid images from the anime. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe there is a good reason for why my images were deleted. If that's the case, please tell me, I would like to possibly add images in the future, but I'm not sure at the moment what's allowed and what not.

Hope this message finds you well.

Hi, another image was deleted again. If I'm violating the Image Policy and any way, could you please tell me how not to. What's the right way to upload images, I would like to know your opinion.

Question
Do you know where i could find any latest RAW chapters? Ivan the Brony Kaiju (t - b - c) 12:29, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

New Wiki Representative
Hi, I'll be your new Wiki Representative (a new name for Wiki Managers) from now on. If you have any social or technical issues here, please feel free to reach out to me anytime. I'm here to help, so don't think you're bothering me or can't ask about something. Stygies VIII (talk) 22:32, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Twins
I think we need put two devils—Naamah and Lilith as twins,and i think Lilith is female and Naamah is male.

why twins(they look sorta same,two half's)

Affiliates Request
Hi! My name is Naval and I was wondering to have affiliation with your wiki. I am admin and bureaucrats of three wikis. Here my Wikis! 23:13 22 February 2021 (UTC)

css error?
I was looking at your code for the latest episode on Template:RightContent. There is a bit of code "right-align: top;" that isn't valid css. Any idea what was trying to be accomplished there?

By the way, I'm creating a "Template:Latest episode" for another wiki, using dpl to fill in the data automatically. I'll let you know when it's done, so you can see if you'd like to copy it for your front page. It basically retrieves info from the last episode page. — Ferretwings, CTM (talk) 05:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Discussion posts
Hi, I would like to ask if you need any support with Discussions - for example posting threads to discuss new episodes? Is there anything else I could help with at the wiki? Edit: I recently talked to Unok and our proposal is me adding threads on the days of release of three last episodes of the anime plus add threads about the ending if users don't do it. - Stygies VIII (talk) 14:51, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Re:Re:Discussion posts
No, they don't. I just wanted to check with admins in case you wanted to do anything for the show's end, some wikis organize events of different kinds and I didn't want to interfere with that. - Stygies VIII (talk) 17:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Image Violations
Which image policy did I accidentally violate? I'm not asking for repention, just a reason, since your edit summary didn't tell me what I wanted to know. 𝐌𝐚𝐣𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐣𝐨𝐞𝐫 (talk) 23:55, March 4, 2021 (UTC)

Fan Favorite Episodes
Hi, since the anime is ending soon, would you mind if I organize a discussion to see which are the fan favorite episodes and then feature them temporary (for about 2 weeks total) somewhere on the main page? (Unok (talk) 18:54, 10 March 2021 (UTC))


 * Sounds good. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 23:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Walgner
How is it too much of a stretch to say Tabata named Walgner after Wagner from the story of Faust? Nacht, whose last name is Faust, has a devil named Walgner who serves him, and in the story of Faust, the main character named Faust had a servant named Wagner. What, does one letter being different between their names somehow make the entire connection invalid? You'd have to be willfully ignorant to not see the obvious connection Tabata was going for, especially considering that there are some articles here on this site with trivia facts on them that people have added based on far less. Did you even bother to look into it before reverting my edit?Darth Malice the Destroyer (talk) 19:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

With Nacht's devils, Tabata seems to have mixed influences from two different stories, Faust, and the Town Musicians of Bremen. I'm not sure about Plumede and Slotos, but Gimodelo also has a connection to Faust. In the story of Faust, Faust is followed back home by a dog, which turns out to be the demon Mephistopheles in disguise, who ends up serving Faust. Gimodelo who serves Nacht also has the appearance of a dog. Interestingly enough, despite their being no devil named Mephistopheles serving Nacht, you can almost spell out the name Mephistopheles using letters from the names of Gimodelo, Plumede, and Slotos, hinting that Nacht's devils (or at least those three) perhaps collectively represent Mephistopheles. The next chapter might shed some light on this.Darth Malice the Destroyer (talk) 20:00, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Morgen Faust
Morgen died at the age of 18, you should add this because you added Licita's age when she died, and it's also a little update that you can do, because you protected the page.

The Monthly mail
Hello there! If you haven’t already and are interested, make sure you opt-in for emails about The Monthly. There should be an email with info on that. If you have opted in, be on the lookout for a new email about March’s Monthly times and the new survey! Will has been making some tweaks to the event this month and he’s excited to have you join him, if you can. - Stygies VIII (talk) 23:23, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Tales of the Rays collaboration.
Sorry to barge in like this. Anyway, I'm new here, and Tales of the Rays is getting a collaboration with Black Clover. Usually, Bandai Namco would showcase their super moves. Am I correct in assuming that none of the collaboration data is going up here? Cuz that's the whole reason I just said everything.
 * NDS123 (talk) 15:54, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Devils Caste
Can we put devils that we know in caste system?

UCX announcement blog
Hey, if you didn't read the new UCX blog, please do. It is about the new skin that will be applied at Fandom and Gamepedia. If you have feedback about it, please let me know. You can also comment the blog, but I don't follow all comments there. https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Introducing_FandomDesktop,_the_new_look_and_feel_for_desktop_users - Stygies VIII (talk) 23:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Spoilers??
when can post or talk about spoilers??

Nacht's devils ranks
In the devil nav box, Gimodelo, Slotos, Walgner, and Plumede are still designated as unknown class. We now know that they are all mid rank. I'd change it myself, but the page is blocked.(GoldenOath20 (talk) 17:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC))

Plumede and Walgner Wiki Bio
Chapter 287 is already out and you haven't updated Plumede, and Walgner's wiki bio, if you have time can you update it? I know you're going to delete my edits, so that's why I'm here.

New Asta page
Should we make a new Asta page for his unite form? Because the name is already given in volume 28 so can we make it yes or no? Megamax20 (talk) 16:42, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

But the name is on the card in volume 28 so why not? Megamax20 (talk) 16:42, 6 April 2021 (UTC) ￼

My Community Post
Considering the fact that u already deleted it's a bit redundant for me to ask this but how comes? I'm pretty sure I downloaded this off reddit and it's was something he/she shared freely. Also there isn't much cool Yuno or Asta pics that aren't fan art😔 BlackRover7 (talk) 00:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

New UCX blog
Hi, a new blog was published about page width settings in UCX and different page view for logged-in and logged-out users. If you have feedback on that, please let me know! -Stygies VIII (talk) 14:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Magic Knights page Members section
Can you please add a folder thing, like you did with the squads, but group the characters based on their rank? Magic Emperors get 1 tab, divided into 2 sections: current & former with symbols designating Promotion, Arrest or Death to say why they're former. Grand getting 1 tab divided into Current & Former with the same symbols designating Promotion, Arrest or Death to say why they're former. Senior/Intermediate/Junior getting 1 tab each divided into 1st-5th grade, which are further divided into Current & Former with the same symbols. -- Insane Makaioshin

Infoboxes
Hello, i am a contributor from the french Black Clover wikia. I was wondering how have you made some of your portables infoboxes such as character infobox and group infobox. I have tried to do the same thing but i didn't succed it. To be more precise i would like to be able to customize the colors of our infoboxes.

CrimsonFlare (talk) 23:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Gender of Lilith and Naamah
Yo. So I want to ask when you would add the gender of Lilith and Naamah. If I’d had to guess why you haven’t done it yet, it’s because it hasn’t been specified in the official source material. Most, if not the whole fandom, has referred to both of them as female and male respectively, because of certain design choices. So, let me know whether we can add the gender of the devils without being specified in the manga yet. Thanks.


 * No, you may not. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 23:27, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

"Edit summaries are not quick questions"
But you knew what I meant, right?
 * NDS123 (talk) 03:25, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Demon Magic
I understand that there are demonic versions of the standard magic, but shouldn't Demon Fire Magic be added to Fire Magic? In the list, there Light Magic (Demon Light Magic), Beast Magic (Demon Beast Magic), etc.

--Traitor Hater 2000 (talk) 05:17, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

"Translation rules"
Can I ask about the "translation" rules on this wiki? I'm sure you've already figured it out, but I contribute to Aselia, the encyclopedic Tales wiki. Of course, you can say that I'm asking about the 回転斬り because in Tales of Link, the skill was localized as "Spin Slice", but I'm also asking mostly for a trivial reason. I feel like I'm gonna need some examples to get a better understanding of the ruleset here. How would the moves listed above be called on this wiki?
 * 1) Demon Fang (魔神剣) / Demon Fist (魔神拳)
 * 2) Final Fury (殺劇舞荒剣 / 殺劇舞荒拳)
 * 3) Tremorous Celestial Sundering Shredding Light of Cyclonic Butchery (震天裂空斬光旋風滅砕神罰割殺撃)
 * NDS123 (talk) 18:55, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

New UCX blog - navigation
There is a new blog related to Fandom's new skin. This one is about the navigation changes. We have new mocks for Search, Profile submenu, and Notifications in there, as well as insight as to how we approached the local navigation decision. If you have any feedback or concerns, please send them! - Stygies VIII (talk) 23:07, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

The clarification of Magna and Zora's mana method style
The recent chapter did in fact explain that Zora does use mana method, and that the way he uses it in a different way than the heart kingdom does, and that he taught this more complex style to Magna. So can you can please explain why every attempt to make this clarification is being stopped when Zora himself not only stated to use Mana Method in the chapter 292, but that he explains how and why he uses it differently than the mages of the Heart Kingdom? Also can you give an explanation for why this difference of styles is being ignored and why Magna's new spell is unclassified as a mana method technique. If there is a legitimate reason for why this clarification isn't being made, could you please explain?-GTAgun savage (talk) 06:41, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Underworld and Devil Pictures
So, what's going on?

Why is there not a page concerning the Underworld? It has been refferenced to exist multiple times in the manga and it was even shown to exist in the anime during Liebe's backstory. So, i was just wondering why there isnt a page for it? It seems very important to me atleast. So i just wanted to know.

Also, with the elves you listed every elf shown whether they had a name or not. Why wasn't this done with the devils? many devils without names have been shown. why the elves and not them? shouldn't they be added to the devils image page?

Syplh and Undine Ages
Hi

So, I noticed that both Sylph and Undine do not have their age specified. At the very least, we know undine is 1200+ years old. So I was wondering why her age was not mentioned in the age tab.

Simultaneously, Julius novachrono mentioned upon seeing Yuno's grimoire said "Syplh, the wind spirit of the four great spirit attributes. Apparently she's chosen him this era"

While i'm not sure if he was using slang when he said that, at the very least an era is over a million years. Could this be counted for her age? Also, could Undine's age be specified in the age tab thingy?

Comments?
I personally think adding a comment section to the wiki pages is a good idea. I know there maybe some stuff like scam bots or offensive comments but we can have a auto-confirmed user only comment section

Attemp to unblock Korosenko
As you know, today you blocked a user called Korosenko for a day. I wish for this user to be unblocked because of stupidity, we both know each other and he went overboard today. Place the block on me since I caused his rage

(If no then lmao)

FandomDesktop
Hi, as you might already know, FandomDesktop is out to optionally view and admins can already alter the design.

Here are the CSS files (pages for CSS code on the wiki, for styling) to use, summed up:


 * MediaWiki:Common.css (CSS sheet that affects the whole wiki)
 * MediaWiki:Fandomdesktop.css (CSS sheet that affects FandomDesktop only)
 * Anything in MediaWiki:Wikia.css isn't loaded on FandomDesktop, but don't get rid of it completely until your wiki is fully ready to move, only move this to Common.css. It is possible I did this already or will do it soon at the wiki, unless you do it faster. It's because Wikia.css will be retired in the future and won't work.

If you need some further help, here are some useful links:


 * FandomDesktop: A New Experience Has A New Customization Policy
 * Help:FandomDesktop preparation guide

Of course, as I am your Wiki Representative, feel free to ping me on Discord or message me here and we can work together on making sure your wiki is ready. I have time to help with anything and I'll get back to each ping and message.

I also made a thread about FD: https://blackclover.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000051679

Stygies VIII (talk) 19:38, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Spirit of Boreas
Is Yuno's Spirit of Boreas really that halberd and not another form of his Spirit Dive that has a halberd? I was reading the Jap Wiki for Black Clover and it was described as another form of Spirit Dive named Spirit of Boreas where he wields a halberd like Noelle's Spirit Dive: Saint Valkyrie Dress. Because Spirit of Boreas wasn't described like Spirit of Zephyrus, which was called Wind Spirit Creation Magic. DevilSlayer123 (talk) 20:14, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm just saying that compared to all the times that spells were used, Spirit of Boreas was the only time where it didn't have sometime like "Wind Spirit Creation Magic" before its name aside from "Spirit Drive" like the time when Noelle first used hers. DevilSlayer123 (talk) 03:41, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't know if you read my previous response. And I'm not trying to annoy you or anything.

I've been doing edits on the Fandom for a long time and I realized that the Japanese Wiki is a lot more accurate compared to information from the anime fandom. More so, if you consider that it's from the original source. And a lot of times, it mentioned things that wasn't brought up inside of the chapters.

But, I'm saying this from reading Black Clover from the start. And all the times that a spell was used like the time Yuno used Spirit of Zephyr, it said Wind Spirit Creation Magic before it was named classing it as Spirit Creation Magic.

But, when he used Spirit of Boreas, Spirit Dive was before it was named in the double page. Just like the time Noelle used Saint Valkyrie Dress and it was called Spirit Dive before being named.

And all the places that I ended up finding said that Spirit of Boreas was another form of Spirit Dive where he wielded a halberd. DevilSlayer123 (talk) 08:21, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

It's not just the Japanese wikipedia. It's the fact that it wasn't actually called Wind Spirit Creation Magic like all the times that Magic Knights and Magic users called out their spells and what it was classified as since the start of Black Clover. DevilSlayer123 (talk) 18:34, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Since the start of Black Clover, Magic Knights and magic users in general have all said what all their spells were classified as before naming them at least once. Like the times he used Spirit of Zephyrus, he said Spirit Creation Magic both times and several other spells in Spirit Dive. But, the time he used Spirit of Boreas, he said Spirit Dive before it was shown in the double page instead of saying Spirit Creation Magic like always. DevilSlayer123 (talk)

This might appear irritating to you. But, I feel if you can't have a discussion like this in an attempt to ensure that the right information is put up to ensure that it doesn't mislead people, then what would be the point of having a fandom in the first place.

So, can you please consider this explanation, which comes from what happened in the chapters?

I tried explaining this before, but in several situations since the start of Black Clover, all the mages who uses creation-based spells have classified it as such before calling out its name. Like all the time that Yuno has classified Spirit of Zephyr as Wind Spirit Creation Magic before creating it.

But, he didn't call Spirit of Boreas Wind Spirit Creation Magic after creating it, instead Spirit Dive was right before it was called out and named in the double page.

And Noelle later proved that a completed Spirit Dive compared to the incomplete Spirit Dive that Yuno has used before has a unique name of its own, in addition to wielding a weapon alongside its new form. DevilSlayer123 (talk) 06:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Badges/Awards?
Imo, I think this Wiki can improve by making some badges/awards. What will it benefit? Achievements

Naamah/Lilith gender?
Devils have gender as seen with chapter 243/page 7 so devils like Naamah/Lilith should have their own respective gender as well. Lilith has cleavage while Naamah doesn't, what's more is their design which should easily notable of their genderVan UK6 (talk)

Creation of Bots
Hi, it's me, Majestic. A bit of things have happened since the last time I've come around here, most notably of which is becoming a content moderator and thread moderator of another community. I've noticed that you use a bot here, and I was wondering if you would be kind enough to share some details about how it works and what it does and the like: the actual reason I want to be able to use or reincorporate your Draconic Bot in some form or fashion would be to remove broken file links within the community I'm in- since there are about five thousand currently, five thousand and twenty to be exact, help with coding the bot and similar would be amazing! Thanks or something, 𝐌𝐚𝐣𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐣𝐨𝐞𝐫 (talk) 03:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Zenon Quote
I understand the part about the translation, I didn't think it was right, but what exactly do you mean by it being a bad quote.EpicMatt16 (talk) 22:05, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Alright, I understand. EpicMatt16 (talk) 01:05, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

highest-ranking devil hair
3 of 10 highest-ranking devil seems all have light-colored hair,maybe that shows if devil highest-ranking or not ??

Maybe Liebe is secretly one as well????

Infoboxes
I was wondering if you could help me get the infoboxes on my fanon wikia to look like the ones here if possible. Or at least tell me which JS or MediaWikia page needs to have said specific coding for certain stuff.

Quality Time
Yo, I am so sorry lmaoo, I accidentally made a page here when I meant to go to the Fanon wiki. Mind deleting it? It's called Quality Time. I'm so sorry man. --BQD (talk) 02:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Discord permission
I want to add a BC wiki discord but I need your approval since you are the Sysop/Bureaucrat, you can be head mod if you want idk.

Primitive Vanius (talk)

Nathan Agrippa Grimoire
On the article about Nathan Agrippa it says he has a 3 leaf grimoire but it Clearly shows he has 5 in this picture

Question
Can you show me how to license an image? It'd help contribute to the wiki

EmbedVideo
Hi, I would like to offer enabling the EmbedVideo extension at the wiki, if you think it would be used here at all. Any feedback after trying it out would be useful to Fandom. Let me know if you and other admins want it enabled and I'll enable it, but if you think it won't be used at all - it's also okay not to enable. - Stygies VIII (talk) 17:42, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Re:Re:EmbedVideo
Okay, I'm not enabling it then, thanks for the reply! - Stygies VIII (talk) 19:00, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Chapter 300
That protection of an ultra high-speed recovery curse is only valid for Megicula.

Weird thing to ask
Can I be Thread-Mod? I'm aware of my past actions involving insulting other users but I'll tone it down a little, or in fact not even do it. Another thing is, I'm mostly active in discussions and the wiki but it's your choice to make me Thread-Mod.

Primitive Vanius (talk)

Gifs
I have this idea where we should replace some images with gifs, like Death Thrust since it's better if it's displayed as a gif then just one image.

My Apologies
Hey dude, sorry about the plagiarism. I got the summary of Wikipedia so I thought it was fair game. I made some changes to it so it wouldn't be word for word.

76
Is the new summary edit good now?

But that last edit was original?

Asta
Hi, just to politely ask why my edit on Asta's profile was undone, I just merely stated that he is the main protagonist of Black Clover (Which he literally is) so what is the issue here with that (And if this is because of what Wikipedia says then it has an issue since Asta is the main character of the story overall, while it does state that Yuno and Noelle are also part of the main characters everyone knows that Asta is the primary focus of the story making him the first and foremost main character of Black Clover)

Connecting
Can I please be an affiliate of Back Clover Wiki with Inuyasha Couples Wikia and Bakugan Couples Wiki?

https://inuyashacouples.fandom.com/wiki/InuYasha_Couples_Wikia

https://bakugan-couples.fandom.com/wiki/Bakugan_Couples_Wiki

Message Walls
Hey Nesha, I know I've been asking you too many questions and I'm sorry if it bugs you.

That aside, don't you think it's wise to switch to Message-Walls since it's more simple and easier to use. I'm sure you have your reason.

Title
I never uploaded fan art i think you messaged the wrong person i have no drawings of black clover what so ever and i never stole anthing from anyone im not sure what your talking about pls send a screen shot of it thank you.

I took it from the web so i didnt know it was fan art i thought it was just a image of asta sorry for the trouble i cant find the owner i dont know how to tell them that

Character Status
I'm Mr emf and I'm fairly new to this wiki. Just now I changed Megicula's status to deceased and Dante and Vanica's to unknown. However, not long after I made those changes, you undid them. I genuinely have no conceivable idea what your reasoning behind this is. There's no doubt Megicula died while Dante and Vanica's fate being unknown might be questionable for some. Please clarify so as to clear my doubts. I'm a big fan of Black Clover and I wish that with some helpful advice from seniors like you, I can further contribute to this wiki. Thank you.

Mr emf

Megicula's definitely deceased while Vanica and Dante's statuses should propably stay as they are. Thank you.

Infobox Images
I'm seeing a lot of contradicting infoboxes. For example, Asta and Yuno only have their manga images, whereas Richita and Liebe have both their manga and anime images. Which of these do we need to change, the former or the latter?
 * NDS123 (talk) 22:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Promotion approved?
Hey Nesha, remember the Discord thing we talked about? Mind if I promote the server in discussions? I need your approval since it is promoting

Asta and Liebe
@talk (Unreferenced mess fraught with errors) Is this the reason you cleared ASTA section in liebe page ?? (by priyakritbhunwal8805 if you wanna know name, I'll clear it after I get the ans)

Usage of a "Template" on other Wiki
Hey there, just sending this message because i wanted to ask whether it would be ok to use the "Lineage" Template that you use on this Wiki?I handle a few Wiki's and some of them might find it useful to have a bloodline graph in that format.Supratim1986 (talk) 14:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

I did already try to use the one here as a rough work (before i asked about it), because wanted to see if i could get it to work or not on one of the Wiki i use since i am not really that good with coding (especially since its quite complicated relationship situations in that, with half-siblings, half-cousins, etc).Supratim1986 (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply, yeah i would check that Wikipedia article later.

Liebe page with Asta
I saw you deleted my info regarding Liebe relationship with Asta. So can you explain to me these errors? If not, can you fill it yourself, because I do believe adding Liebe’s relationship with Asta in his page is quite important. Afterall, it appears you keep deleting the info with others because I assume it doesn’t follow to your standards. WhalBP (talk) 20:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

The Downstream
This Friday, Fandom is organizing another episode of The Downstream, this time focused on social media, the influence of new releases on wikis and Fandom's new branding. There will also be an AMA. You can see the details and register here - Stygies VIII (talk) 21:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Discord BC Community server.
For the past few days I was thinking to make an BC Community discord server, then I thought it would be good it its a fandom server. If you want to make a server, please let me know - I am a discord bot dev, so I can help you.

That's all. Thanks


 * Not interested. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 15:03, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Beelzebub's Trivia Section.
How is any of what I added about Beelzebub "speculation?" I don't think you understand the meaning of that word. It's literally a historical fact that Beelzebub was a god who was once worshiped by the Philistines in the past and is now considered a demon by religions today. The article I linked even states as much. What I provided was just the most basic of basic rundowns explaining Beelzebub's namesake. Also, why was the part about which Qliphoth position Beelzebub represents deleted as well when the articles for the other Qliphoth devils also list which Qliphoth positions they represent? By that same logic, that information should also be deleted from their articles since that's apparently not allowed because it's considered "speculation".Darth Malice the Destroyer (talk) 03:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Seems you added something for Beelzebub in the trivia section, so it's all good now I guess. I mostly felt that there should have at least been "something" for Beelzebub explaining who/what his namesake is, since that is not a name that Tabata came up with all himself like Megicula, but he got from the real world from already existing material. I guess the new info is vague enough to where it doesn't lean in any one direction.

So what should be done about the part regarding which Qliphoth position Beelzebub corresponds to? Should that be added back, or no? The reason I wanted to add that was to make consistent with the articles of the other Qliphoth devils who also have a mention in their trivia section about which position they correspond to, much like how the articles for the Apostles of Sephirah do for which Sephirot position they are matched to. It would feel weird to have one Qliphoth devil's article not mention theirs (Beelzebub) while all the others (Naamah, Lilith, Lucifugus) do for them, so either all of the articles for the Qliphoth devils (that are based on real demons, so excluding Megicula and Lucifero of course) should have a mention of theirs, or none should mention theirs at all in order to keep it consistent.Darth Malice the Destroyer (talk) 00:11, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so I did some digging and actually found some sources. At one point, the Wikipedia article for the Qliphoth had listed the names of the ten Qliphoth positions and the demons associated with them, but this section was later removed (not because the information in it was false, but because it was deemed as excessive). By looking at the history of the article to see an earlier version, I was able to look at the references at the bottom of the page to see which sources the authors of this Wikipedia article had used to get this information. The information about what the names of the Qliphoth positions are and the demons associated with them seems to mainly come from three sources.

One is a collection of papers by Aleister Crowley (a pretty famous and well-known occultist) called "777 and Other Qabalistic Writings of Aleister Crowley", in particular from the section called Liber 777. The second source is a book called "The Golden Dawn" by Israel Regardie (another occultist). The third source is a work called "Magical Correspondences" by Bill Heidrick (another occultist I presume). It would seem that these three occultists are the ones who popularized this whole concept of Qliphoth positions and demons being associated to them. The first two sources only seem to have physical versions available, so I wasn't able to find any online versions of them to look at them (there could be PDF versions somewhere, but I didn't see any), but the third source does have an online version that you can look at.

This site has a collection of Bill Heidrick's works for people to read: http://www.billheidrick.com/works/heidrick.htm including Magical Correspondences: http://www.billheidrick.com/works/mcor.htm If you scroll down far enough in the page for that one, sure enough you find sections describing the names of the Qliphoth positions and the demons associated with each one.Darth Malice the Destroyer (talk) 08:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

After further searching, I was able to find pdf versions of the other two sources mentioned.

The Golden Dawn by Israel Regardie: https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/13256536/israel-regardie-the-complete-golden-dawn-system-of-magicpdf

Liber 777 by Aleister Crowley: http://93beast.fea.st/files/section1/777/Liber%20777%20Revised.pdf

On pages 244-245 of the pdf for The Golden Dawn it lists the names of the Qliphoth positions beside their Sephirot counterparts, and on page 21 of 170 of the Liber 777 pdf it does the same where the names of the ten orders of Qliphoth are listed, and page 41 of 170 also mentions some of the demon princes of the Qliphoth. Interestingly enough, the ten Qliphoth orders are divided into seven palaces of Hell, which seems to correspond to the seven levels of the underworld in Black Clover. The exact demons associated with each Qliphoth are not listed, but the names of all the demons that Bill Heidrick lists in his interpretation appear at various points throughout Liber 777, hinting that he likely used Crowley's interpretation as the basis for his own.

But that's all beside the point. Tabata didn't come up with this whole idea of ten Qliphoth devils on seven levels on his own. The positions of the Qliphoth devils with Naamah and Lilith being on the first level and Lucifuge, Beelzebub, and Lucifero (who there's a high chance could be a fusion corresponding to Satan and Moloch, given that he has both four horns AND four wings, the only other devil to have such a feature being Lilith and Naamah when they were fused) being on the bottom level is suspiciously similar to the layout found in Bill Heidrick's interpretation to the point that it can't just be ignored. Tabata more than likely came across Crowley and Heidrick's writings during the course of his research into the occult and decided to use them as the basis for his idea of the Qliphoth. The fact that people were able to accurately predict beforehand that Naamah and Lilith would be the names of the first two Qliphoth devils to come out and that Beelzebub would be the name of Zenon's devil by looking at Bill Heidrick's interpretation shows that Tabata is definitely drawing from his work and writings in some way. To pretend that you see absolutely no correlation or similarity between the two is just being willfully ignorant. It doesn't matter if others on Wikpedia didn't consider Bill Heidrick to be a reliable enough source, because it doesn't change the fact that his work is the interpretation that Tabata is going with for his story.Darth Malice the Destroyer (talk) 22:27, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

So it seems you don't want to even bother addressing my other points and stopped after zeroing in on that one line? Alright then, what DO you consider an acceptable source in this situation? You do realize that we're talking about magic and the occult here, right? In case you didn't know, magic isn't real. It's all fake, no more real than a fictional story like Black Clover is. You can't scientifically measure it and create a single universal set of rules for how it works like you would with something like math. It's like religion or philosophy in a way, with as many different viewpoints and interpretations of it as there are people in the world. So how then do you determine what is a reliable source when it comes to something subjective like magic and the occult? How do you determine whose interpretations of it are more "valid" when they're all equally fictional? What makes Bill Heidrick's interpretation of the Qliphoth any less valid and worth consideration than that of other occultists? Simply because the authors of that Wikipedia article didn't like his interpretation? What else is there that you would require? For the evidence and sources I just provided to still not be enough and for you to still want more, at that point you're basically asking "prove this guy's fake stuff is more real than other people's fake stuff". How would someone even conceivably do that? What you're doing now is just moving the goalposts in order to make that impossible so that you don't have to address my other points and can avoid having to concede the argument.Darth Malice the Destroyer (talk) 00:32, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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CrimsonFlare (talk) 14:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)